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posted on 17-5-2010 at 01:54 PM
What's up with these scalloped necks..?


A few came up on local CL, now I am curious.
What's up with these things?

No interest, just wondering
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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:04 PM


From Wikipedia :) :

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Scalloped fingerboard of Yngwie Malmsteen Stratocaster

A fretted fingerboard can be scalloped by "scooping out" the wood between each of the frets to create a shallow "U" shape. The result is a playing surface wherein the players' fingers come into contact with the strings only, and do not touch the fingerboard.

Advantages and disadvantages

The "scooped out" nature of scalloped fingerboards creates a number of changes in the way the guitar plays.

Most obvious, is that the fingertip only comes into contact with the string, not the fingerboard itself, creating less friction for bends and vibratos, which results in more overall control while playing.

However, that is also one of the main disadvantages. Many players, especially new players, may find a scalloped fingerboard to be too different to play easily if the strings are light for the player and/or the player has the tendency to press too hard on the fingerboard, it does take practice to play in tune on a scalloped fingerboard. The player must first become accustomed to not actually touching the fingerboard, which may take some time. Playing a scalloped fingerboard requires a careful application of pressure: too much can change the pitch of the fretted note, as during a bend, and too little pressure can cause fret buzz. As a result, the majority of guitar players choose to use a traditional fingerboard on their instruments.[7]


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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:15 PM


That's funny cause I was just hinking about scalloped fingerboards this morning. I remember when they were the big fad and people were hacking and filing their necks into toohtpicks....... Now I don't hear much about them at all.

Anybody here still like them or play one?
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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:25 PM


I've played a few, mostly on Yngwie strats, and I'm not a fan. Just don't really like the feel or the tone.



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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:30 PM


I'd like to get one, just so I could really work it over and see if it's for me but it's not worth the investment for me. I think Richie Blackmore uses a partially scalloped neck, just the 12th fret and higher



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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:30 PM


(Former) AGF'er Geoffrey Charles scalloped the fretboards on a couple of his Douglas V's and I know he loved it. Seems really weird and uncomfortable to me though.



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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:32 PM


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I'd like to get one, just so I could really work it over and see if it's for me but it's not worth the investment for me. I think Richie Blackmore uses a partially scalloped neck, just the 12th fret and higher



If I'm not mistaken, that is how Yngwie's are too. And, if that's the case, I'm sure it was because Blackmore did it. Ritchie is/was Yngwie's idol. I think he is probably his own idol though now :uh:




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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:33 PM


I need to get way more proficient on a regular fretboard before I even think of touching a scalloped one.



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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:37 PM


I actually read an article where Yngwie claimed he didn't know Blackmore used scalloped frets, his inspiration for doing it was 17th century lutes or something where the fingerboards were carved out instead of having actual frets, Yngwie does a full scallop though, at least his fenders are anyways



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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:41 PM


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I'd like to get one, just so I could really work it over and see if it's for me but it's not worth the investment for me. I think Richie Blackmore uses a partially scalloped neck, just the 12th fret and higher



If I'm not mistaken, that is how Yngwie's are too. And, if that's the case, I'm sure it was because Blackmore did it. Ritchie is/was Yngwie's idol. I think he is probably his own idol though now :uh:

I'm almost 100% certain that both Blackmore and Malmsteen have fully scalloped fretboards.

I have scalloped frets 12-21 on my squier strat and I really liked it. It gives you more control over the string when it comes to bends and vibrato and gives a nice, smooth feel overall. I never had any problem adjusting to it because I play with a very light touch regardless of what I'm playing. People who are more heavy-handed may find that they're bending the strings out of tune because there is no fretboard there to stop you.

Since I sold my Strat I have been thinking about doing it to my Charvel. It's a really simple and easy process, but you can't exactly undo it if you don't like it.

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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:47 PM


RIck, that's not correct. Yngwie's is fully scalloped, as is Blackmores.



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posted on 17-5-2010 at 02:59 PM


I stand corrected. But not on the Yngwie being a cocky conceited asshole part ;)



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posted on 17-5-2010 at 03:10 PM


OK, lots of stuff being thrown around in this thread! To get it straight (I'm a bit of an Yngwie fan!):

- Yngwie claims (as was mentioned) that he go the idea to scallop from seeing lutes that came into a luthier's shop that he was apprenticing in when he was a kid in Stockholm. Blackmore was his idol, but that's not where he got the idea.

- The Malmsteen strats are full scallops.

- The Blackmore strat is NOT a full scallop, assuming we're talking about his signature Fender model. It has what they call a "graduated scallop"




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posted on 17-5-2010 at 03:16 PM


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I'd be curious to give it a try. But I won't be scalloping any of my guitars.

Karl Sanders (Nile) has his KxK Warrior V baritone guitar with a scalloped board with string gauges: 070 .050 .038 .017 .012 .010

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posted on 17-5-2010 at 03:17 PM


John McLaughlin also experimentd with a scalloped fingerboard in his Mahavishnu days.

The Vai JEM models have scalloping on the last few upper register frets.





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I'd really like a partially-scalloped neck, say 12'th fret and above - is it easy to DIY on rosewood fretboards?



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John McLaughlin also experimentd with a scalloped fingerboard in his Mahavishnu days.

The Vai JEM models have scalloping on the last few upper register frets.



True that. I think McLaughlin did it to try and make his guitar sound more like a sitar, or another Indian instrument.




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I'd really like a partially-scalloped neck, say 12'th fret and above - is it easy to DIY on rosewood fretboards?


I think it's easier than maple, since you don't have to refinish it. Just sand with finer and finer grit and then oil it up.

Project Guitar has a good tutorial on it. Seems pretty easy.

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posted on 17-5-2010 at 03:22 PM


I think there needs to be an SX scalloped strat for about $150 just so you could see if you like it or not



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posted on 17-5-2010 at 03:22 PM


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- The Blackmore strat is NOT a full scallop, assuming we're talking about his signature Fender model. It has what they call a "graduated scallop"

Blackmore has every fret scalloped, but they're shaped differently.

http://steves-strats.co.uk/images/scallop%2001.jpg

K.K. Downing from Judas Priest also used a fully scalloped fretboard.


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I'd really like a partially-scalloped neck, say 12'th fret and above - is it easy to DIY on rosewood fretboards?


It's very easy, and you hardly need any tools. I did it to my squier strat using only sand paper to make the scallops, pencils, pens and markers of various sizes to wrap the sandpaper around to make sure I got a nice round scallop and some masking tape to protect the frets.

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- The Blackmore strat is NOT a full scallop, assuming we're talking about his signature Fender model. It has what they call a "graduated scallop"

Blackmore has every fret scalloped, but they shaped differently.

http://steves-strats.co.uk/images/scallop%2001.jpg

K.K. Downing from Judas Priest also used a fully scalloped fretboard.


Yep. I think there might be some confusion about terminology here...

If by "full scallop" we mean every fret from 1-->21 is scalloped, then yes, Yngwie and Blackmore are both full scalloped. But by full scalloped, I usually think of symmetrical, "full" scallops on each fret. Blackmore's are gradual, like the pic you posted.




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John McLaughlin also experimentd with a scalloped fingerboard in his Mahavishnu days.

The Vai JEM models have scalloping on the last few upper register frets.



Funny, my Jem did not have scalloped frets




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John McLaughlin also experimentd with a scalloped fingerboard in his Mahavishnu days.

The Vai JEM models have scalloping on the last few upper register frets.



Funny, my Jem did not have scalloped frets


Really? 21-24 weren't scalloped?

Where did ya get it, and how long ago was it? It could have been a forgery--unfortunately fake JEMs are very popular and sometimes hard to spot.




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posted on 17-5-2010 at 04:25 PM


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John McLaughlin also experimentd with a scalloped fingerboard in his Mahavishnu days.

The Vai JEM models have scalloping on the last few upper register frets.



Funny, my Jem did not have scalloped frets


Really? 21-24 weren't scalloped?

Where did ya get it, and how long ago was it? It could have been a forgery--unfortunately fake JEMs are very popular and sometimes hard to spot.


I'm pretty sure the lower end JEMs don't have scalloped frets.




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posted on 17-5-2010 at 04:37 PM


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John McLaughlin also experimentd with a scalloped fingerboard in his Mahavishnu days.

The Vai JEM models have scalloping on the last few upper register frets.



Funny, my Jem did not have scalloped frets


Really? 21-24 weren't scalloped?

Where did ya get it, and how long ago was it? It could have been a forgery--unfortunately fake JEMs are very popular and sometimes hard to spot.


I'm pretty sure the lower end JEMs don't have scalloped frets.


Have any examples? I'm not too familiar with all the JEM models out there. The only time I've heard of legitimate, non-forged JEMs missing scalloped frets were one's that were factory blems. Somehow the workers forgot to scallop the frets. Never heard of any JEMs intentionally being not scalloped, though.




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